tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post5053834733847766704..comments2024-03-19T04:21:59.320-07:00Comments on Mike Rose's Blog: The Purpose of Public Schools Is Lost in a Language of Failure and MoneyMike Rosehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14013622839240394965noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-5149395734294316682008-04-15T11:14:00.000-07:002008-04-15T11:14:00.000-07:00Reply to A.E. Marshall:You are absolutely right, h...Reply to A.E. Marshall:<BR/>You are absolutely right, higher education is awash in corporate language these days. At my university -- and at many others -- there are people in the development office and in media relations whose job it is to help the school define and advance its "brand". You raise important issues in your post that I hope others pick up -- and I will as well. In the meantime, Mike Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14013622839240394965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-34625877258271957532008-04-11T14:29:00.000-07:002008-04-11T14:29:00.000-07:00I greatly appreciate your comments on the language...I greatly appreciate your comments on the language of discourse on public education. Historically, these issues have focused on K-12 education, but more and more I am seeing the same trend in institutions of higher education. Recently I have been introduced to a public university system that is led by individuals holding master’s degrees in business administration. Faculty members are now Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-91647075853563809862008-03-22T10:42:00.000-07:002008-03-22T10:42:00.000-07:00Amen to Jen.--although I don't see her full remark...Amen to Jen.--although I don't see her full remarks here or at least the ones I'm referring to!--so folks should read the whole thing. Oops, it's at the bottom. (I think these blogs should work in reverse order with the newest responses at the top). I like the way Jen summarizes Dewey, and thanks so much for that even broader definition of Nyere's which I never heard before. What's the Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17177561299040708373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-84427402435720096282008-03-22T10:23:00.000-07:002008-03-22T10:23:00.000-07:00Good Morning to you all!What is the purpose of pub...Good Morning to you all!<BR/><BR/>What is the purpose of public schools?<BR/><BR/>I find it much easier to say what different educational theorists say than to articulate an even-handed, hopeful, and critical vision. <BR/><BR/>Mike, you write:<BR/>"Public education demands a capacious critique, one that encourages both dissent and invention, fury and hope. Public education is bountiful, crowded, Jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15802428940538358945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-31928379398548557272008-03-16T12:32:00.000-07:002008-03-16T12:32:00.000-07:00I like this format Mike--it's easier to use than s...I like this format Mike--it's easier to use than some. I need to pick your brain.<BR/><BR/>Kerri's letter repeats what I hear everywhere I go these days, Of course, I'm speaking and meeting with a selective sample. But we need to both keep each other feeling sane and supported while also thinking of how to influence the political discourse. Let's all write Obama and Clinton and McCain? Let'sUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17177561299040708373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-6478535724572623012008-03-16T12:13:00.000-07:002008-03-16T12:13:00.000-07:00I am happy to see you on the Web Mike, and happy t...I am happy to see you on the Web Mike, and happy to join in this conversation. As a teacher educator in MA, I find myself pulled between the sense of despair/frustration that is shaping public education (from high stakes testing, standards, minimizing of families and community voices) and the glimpses of light that come from unbelievably thoughtful teachers, who DO exist. As we continue to expandAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-92170147305857712252008-03-14T17:41:00.000-07:002008-03-14T17:41:00.000-07:00I'd like to respond to Meño's question, "What is t...I'd like to respond to Meño's question, "What is the intellectual justification for continuing to support the idea of public schooling?" I teach at a for-profit college, and naturally, the economic motive for education, obviously, both in the students and in the administration is far stronger than what I've encountered in the public schools. In practice, this means even lower pay and even fewerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-84824189700961694792008-03-07T09:39:00.000-08:002008-03-07T09:39:00.000-08:00To Jen. Jen, regarding the question you pose at t...To Jen. Jen, regarding the question you pose at the end of your comment about trust. A big question for a later blog, but for now let me recommend Deborah Meier’s In Schools We Trust. She’s quite thoughtful on this issue.<BR/><BR/>Joanna,<BR/>Thank you for that lovely post. And thank your students, too. You know, it’s so odd, I was just thinking about beauty yesterday morning, and how Mike Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14013622839240394965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-536862731604398222008-03-07T05:12:00.000-08:002008-03-07T05:12:00.000-08:00Dear Mike and all,I guess I'm really inept in this...Dear Mike and all,<BR/><BR/>I guess I'm really inept in this. I wrote a long missive, pressed the button and then my great thoughts went out to the ozone, but not to the blog. Oh, well.<BR/><BR/>I'm so glad you're doing this, Mike--moving the conversation about education towards a more complex understanding about what education is. That's what is so powerful about your books and why I've been Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13209163606572827231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-63317337928596408532008-03-06T16:38:00.000-08:002008-03-06T16:38:00.000-08:00It's great--you and I are almost entering the mode...It's great--you and I are almost entering the modern world. Is that good?<BR/><BR/>Thanks for doing this, Mike. The issues you raise are so critical. So I shall respond soon with some questions I'm struggling with. Look at the draft I wrote for Forum for Education. On governnce. I'm not sure I agree with myself, so I need feedback.<BR/><BR/>DebUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17177561299040708373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-55969836872812658132008-03-06T06:46:00.000-08:002008-03-06T06:46:00.000-08:00Jen, Meno, Mike-- Thanks for the thoughtful posts....Jen, Meno, Mike-- <BR/>Thanks for the thoughtful posts. Made me think.<BR/><BR/>Seems to me that the mistrust of teachers and the production of underachievement in schools are part and parcel of Western ideologies that value individualism above all else. I don't think we'll ever achieve the promise of mass public education because of ideological roots in individualism.<BR/> <BR/>Here's why: Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-41116409655988144632008-03-05T13:44:00.000-08:002008-03-05T13:44:00.000-08:00Mike, thanks for beginning this conversation. Cons...Mike, thanks for beginning this conversation. Considering my own scholarship with technology, it is only appropriate that I take this opportunity to note that this blog will be a great tool towards democratic conversation in times when we are separated by time and distance. I am so excited you joined the cyberworld to initiate this dialogue virtually! <BR/><BR/>With that being said, I just had Joannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07762257800282785820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-34876080081280024592008-03-05T01:16:00.000-08:002008-03-05T01:16:00.000-08:00Thanks, Mike, for the invitation to enter this con...Thanks, Mike, for the invitation to enter this conversation. I am torn after reading your webpage as to whether I have feelings of admiration or outrage, respect or disgust, hope or despair, whenever I think of the educational situation in this country. I think the best I can do is say that I feel all of these things, which is overwhelming in and of itself. I felt torn almost every day in my Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-38103804066828856642008-03-04T15:12:00.000-08:002008-03-04T15:12:00.000-08:00Congratulations on taking the giant leap into cybe...Congratulations on taking the giant leap into cyberspace! Thanks for creating a forum for discussion.<BR/><BR/>Many schools deserve to be described in the positive ways you mentioned in your posting, but unfortunately, some don’t warrant praise. As a resident of Atlanta, I have been shocked by the local news about the possible loss of accreditation of schools in nearby Clayton County.<BR/><BR/>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-3194109284830818942008-03-04T09:05:00.000-08:002008-03-04T09:05:00.000-08:00Mike: Thanks for setting up your blog. As a former...Mike: Thanks for setting up your blog. As a former literature major who's teaching college comp classes in NE Ohio, I struggle with some of the issues you've mentioned, especially assessment. I look forward to seeing more of your ideas!!<BR/><BR/>Your Ohio fan club,<BR/>HollyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-41583462098007841162008-03-03T23:20:00.000-08:002008-03-03T23:20:00.000-08:00Thanks for sharing your work on the web Mike. I am...Thanks for sharing your work on the web Mike. I am very glad you are using this medium for your thoughts... Yes, anonymous post-er says, many folks have a blog...but frankly, not everyone has access to solid conversation about as deeply important an issue as public education. I especially appreciate this now that I'm no longer privvy to the conversations that routinely take place at Moore Hall Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-60554090021087532022008-03-03T22:10:00.000-08:002008-03-03T22:10:00.000-08:00Man, what a trip. Pinche Mike Rose with a blog. ...Man, what a trip. Pinche Mike Rose with a blog. Maybe it's not such a trip since you practice your craft on the daily and maybe it was a matter of time before the blog-pedo insinuated itself into your practice. ¡Watcha, yo también quiero un blog! <BR/><BR/>A grip of people have blogs--that's the democratic nature of the web, que no?--but not everybody's blog is, well, como te dire: Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-62745530127167294382008-03-03T20:17:00.000-08:002008-03-03T20:17:00.000-08:00Mike, Thank you for your comments. I always like t...Mike, <BR/>Thank you for your comments. I always like to point out that while people talk about the so called school failure, on most standardized measures they are doing better then they ever have before. And maybe they are doing what they were designed to--create separate classes with different expectations.<BR/><BR/>This talk of school failure is maybe a way of distracting us from asking the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-70015030738919221622008-03-03T18:47:00.000-08:002008-03-03T18:47:00.000-08:00welcome to the world of blogging. There are of co...welcome to the world of blogging. There are of course far too many blogs to keep track of, but when someone of the stature of Deb takes the time to tell me about something, I am surely going to take the time to follow up.<BR/><BR/>I look forward to your future posts.teacherkenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02225551101423123044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-80700660680032577662008-03-03T17:11:00.000-08:002008-03-03T17:11:00.000-08:00Mike,Deb Meier sent notice of your latest project....Mike,<BR/><BR/>Deb Meier sent notice of your latest project. Welcome the blogosphere. Have your blog call my blog sometime (http://360.yahoo.com/michaelklonsky) and maybe do lunch. I will put you on my blogroll. Seriously, nice launch. Defining the purpose of schooling cannot be left to the Ownership Society wags. <BR/><BR/>Mike KlonskyMike Klonskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02017021676773731024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7897286065374355890.post-73388375162947309112008-03-03T14:10:00.000-08:002008-03-03T14:10:00.000-08:00Mike, thank you for initiating this difficult, yet...Mike, thank you for initiating this difficult, yet critical conversation. More and more, I find knots in my stomach whenever I see a headline about education. As you mention, the way we talk about education is so important and powerful. With this being said, it can also be harmful. I am especially weary of the word and concept of 'accountability'. The focus of so many educational 'reforms' Jen Goldberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10136955054025976415noreply@blogger.com